Hello everybody

[Wanderer]

None of them in a context of urgency, and all of them in measures appropriate to sensibilities at this stage of my life. 'Accomplish' is a verb that takes on different meaning with the passage of time. In earlier years there were things that I wanted to accomplish but didn't and later on I realized that many of those things were fool's gold. Google the definition of 'accomplish' and you get: "..achieve or complete successfully." The key word there is, 'successfully'. What is success nowadays? Look around you: Money? Fame? Power? And even if you had any of those you still have to live in a world where the majority of your fellow human beings have none of them. It's what at times I've referred to as the gate-guarded community illusion. You have a nice house, manicured grounds, maybe a maid or two. But the larger world is just outside that gate and if something goes wrong out there: chaos, anarchy, power/water outages, take your pick, then your privileged community would basically be a fancy 'panic room'.

Re youth, there's no returning to youth or, 'glory days'. But there are times and moments in the past that I remember as being, 'Halcyon". I capitalized it because as adjectives go it's one of my favorites. Thus, I hope there are Halcyon days yet to be.

Prose and Poetry? If it's good, honest, and moves me, sure, I'm up for that. As for chit-chat, that goes on every day wherever you are. Perfunctory language.

Give meaning to other people's lives? People give meaning to their own lives. If it happens that others regard something or another from my person as wisdom, meaning, etc., okay, glad that I was able to help in whatever measure. If there's anything I'd like to with this present forum is elevate the discussion somehow, make it more authentic in terms of the people who participate and/or read the discussions. The only way I think I can do that is to be authentic with myself. Other than that, the winds will have their say.

Let's try another term.
What is the goal?
What is the vision you have; what motivated you to even start this forum?

Asking about details and asking for details are two different things. Just want to clear that up. Yes, I remember you mentioning your son some time back. 12 years old, the teenage years are coming up and that's the time when they start testing the limits of everyone around them, isn't it? Good luck.

He's already started to question authority and to talk back.
Since last year.
It will be a trying period...for me. If he takes after me he will not be too much of a problem.
I started rebelling in my twenties.

[Daniel V.]

Let's try another term.
What is the goal?
What is the vision you have; what motivated you to even start this forum?

A word of friendly advice, W. In some exchanges it's better not to begin with, "Let's try another term". If this were a metaphysical poker game that would be a glaring 'tell'.

Goal: "..the object of a person's ambition or effort; an aim or desired result."

That's more or less the same as what you asked previously re accomplishment and then referring to aspects of vision such as, glory days, prose and poetry, and meaning, all of which necessitate some 'vision' in one form or another. But since it sounds like it's on a different part of that psychological dial with measurements in nanosensibilities, I will play.

A person has two, principal objectives: Effective relations (and all that 'effective' denotes) with the current form of experience, the physical, material, etc., and effective relation (sometimes plural) with what his or her mind characterizes as the 'other', the external, that which is not 'self', and of course, that which the mind often delights in as transcendental beckoning. Think of it as the mind-body problem but on a different level of engagement where the 'witnessing' is conducted in the area created by the components of mind and body. Needless to say, from such a promontory 'effective relation' takes on a very different meaning. But a fair word of warning: Many who reach that promontory often have bad, if not tragic, relapses. Some levels have no definition, much less regard, for notions of compassion, e.g., a Minotaur does not appear wearing a white polo shirt with white shorts and ask, "Tennis, anyone?"

As for 'motivation', I guess it would be the same, with some slight differences, as that of what motivated me to make the Esophy website. It was as the saying goes, a 'labor of love'. There was no remuneration of any type unless it was the currency of 'artistic' pleasure. But in the case of Sitesetis Forums (SF) the pleasure is not of that type. The forum could possibly prompt that but it would be more serendipitous than formulated; such as is usually the case in exchanges with others. As an aside re motivation, if you've looked over at the main site you'll see some pieces which are mostly journal-like, prose, and informative. But I really haven't felt anything there - yet - comparable to the potency that accompanied Esophy. I don't lament it, not at all, it's just not in the present, experiential mix. Nonetheless, I do pay attention to the presentation and it does have its own value for me.

Now, I will answer your question in a form for the benefit of those who might regard all of the above as wacky-talk.

The goal, the vision, and the motivation is a presentation which is enjoyed and appreciated by those who experience it. Simple. Basically, what any person would like for their creative efforts whatever they may be. "Will that at least get me a B+ on the report card, Professor Wanderer?" (By the way, I will get that smiley altered. Right now it looks like some sort of secret, Templar signal)

Now, a question for you: What is your goal, vision, and motivation in whatever you deem would be 'host' to those elements?

Gotta leave for a few. If there's a response then I will answer later.

Daniel V.

[Wanderer]

A word of friendly advice, W. In some exchanges it's better not to begin with, "Let's try another term". If this were a metaphysical poker game that would be a glaring 'tell'.

I appreciate the advice, but I wasn't aware we were involved in a game or a competition to win a pot.
Here's some of my ..."advice": a "tell" can be used to inform or misinform.

Goal: "..the object of a person's ambition or effort; an aim or desired result."

That's more or less the same as what you asked previously re accomplishment and then referring to aspects of vision such as, glory days, prose and poetry, and meaning, all of which necessitate some 'vision' in one form or another. But since it sounds like it's on a different part of that psychological dial with measurements in nanosensibilities, I will play.

This being a game, of course.

A person has two, principal objectives: Effective relations (and all that 'effective' denotes) with the current form of experience, the physical, material, etc., and effective relation (sometimes plural) with what his or her mind characterizes as the 'other', the external, that which is not 'self', and of course, that which the mind often delights in as transcendental beckoning. Think of it as the mind-body problem but on a different level of engagement where the 'witnessing' is conducted in the area created by the components of mind and body. Needless to say, from such a promontory 'effective relation' takes on a very different meaning. But a fair word of warning: Many who reach that promontory often have bad, if not tragic, relapses. Some levels have no definition, much less regard, for notions of compassion, e.g., a Minotaur does not appear wearing a white polo shirt with white shorts and ask, "Tennis, anyone?"

I'm aware of the mind/body synthesis and how the mixture can be leaning on one side - mind - or the other - body.
It's part of the challenge.

As for 'motivation', I guess it would be the same, with some slight differences, as that of what motivated me to make the Esophy website. It was as the saying goes, a 'labor of love'. There was no remuneration of any type unless it was the currency of 'artistic' pleasure. But in the case of Sitesetis Forums (SF) the pleasure is not of that type. The forum could possibly prompt that but it would be more serendipitous than formulated; such as is usually the case in exchanges with others. As an aside re motivation, if you've looked over at the main site you'll see some pieces which are mostly journal-like, prose, and informative. But I really haven't felt anything there - yet - comparable to the potency that accompanied Esophy. I don't lament it, not at all, it's just not in the present, experiential mix. Nonetheless, I do pay attention to the presentation and it does have its own value for me.

I saw the similarities with espophy. It's your 'style'.

Now, I will answer your question in a form for the benefit of those who might regard all of the above as wacky-talk.

Some, would say, my talk is always "wacky".

Now, a question for you: What is your goal, vision, and motivation in whatever you deem would be 'host' to those elements?

I share ideas...mostly my own, in my own words.
But I am not the host, but the guest. I adapt to the host's style, and that's why I asked what is your underlying 'vision', 'goal' whatever word you prefer to use.
I don't want to overstep the boundaries.

I guess I'll do what I always do; I'll wait and see how the other guests interact and behave and I'll adapt accordingly, or watch without participating, or drink until I get free enough to engage.

Gotta leave for a few. If there's a response then I will answer later.

Daniel V.

You don't have to answer.
Happy New Year.

[Daniel V.]

Here's some of my ..."advice": a "tell" can be used to inform or misinform.

True, but since I don't participate in it as a game for a win, then I have nothing to lose.

This being a game, of course.

'Play' can be friendly, or not. Mine's friendly. Unfriendly play is for those that usually have no clue as to what real 'work' is.

It's part of the challenge.

Yes. By the by, what do you think is attained if one surmounts that challenge? Or maybe that's a good, future topic: 'Surmounting the Body-Mind Dilemma'. Hmm, sounds impressive.

I saw the similarities with espophy. It's your 'style'.

I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you!

Some, would say, my talk is always "wacky".

Really? They're probably just kidding you.

I don't want to overstep the boundaries.

You're not.

Gotta leave for a few. If there's a response then I will answer later.

You don't have to answer.

It's a courtesy. What kind of a host would I be if I were not courteous?

Daniel V.

[Wanderer]

"Surmounting" or accepting the mind/body false dichotomy remains to be seen.
One whispers into the chrysalis, hoping for the expected, but not knowing what will emerge - most often the unexpected.
That's part of the game.
Another ...'tell'.

[Tobias]

Hello Wanderer, nice to here the echo from the past... What are you up to these days?

[Wanderer]

Hello Wanderer, nice to here the echo from the past... What are you up to these days?

Just living...and you?

[Daniel V.]

"..nice to here the echo from the past.."

Hi, Tobias

At first I thought it was a typo and it is in the conventional sense that it should be, 'hear'.

But in an unconventional way it is interesting. The 'here' indicating the present where the echo of the 'past' appears.

"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done."__Ludwig Wittgenstein

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By the way, re whom you asked about elsewhere hasn't posted yet. But you know, classical harp players live in very rarefied atmospheres. Though I think one of these days she'll send us a few empyreal notes as recognition.

[Geoff23]

Just popping in to say I am still around. Shame it is so quiet here. Long way short of the sort of "gravitational mass" needed to get things going, unfortunately.

[Daniel V.]

Geoff

There is no shame in it being quiet. I like it quiet.

Does that mean that I prefer the forum to be quiet to the point where there is no participation? No, what it means is perhaps better expressed by saying that I like the 'clean slate' aspect of it. It can either become like all the other forums out there or it can, hopefully, engender an emergence of something different. Right now, the 'real estate' of it is fresh, airy, no demands on anyone to make it this or that. The only person that will be feeling a demand is myself in the self-imposed demand of presenting and managing the mostly technical aspects of the venue. I'm cool with that, I like playing around with the presentational aesthetics: how does this look?, how does that fit overall to the rest?, and a variety of considerations thereof.

I understand what you note about, "..'gravitational mass' needed to get things going..", but for me the aspect of gravitational mass - as it is referred to in this instance - is not an issue. There is no 'place' where I need things to get going to. Each member, each reader, of this forum already have their places that they are going to in the 'real world'. You as an example, managed to make a name for yourself in your field of interest, you've got a family now, taking care of your child who is a new life coming into the world. That, is where things really get going. Having said that, then consider that what I would prefer is for members and readers to recognize that what is noted here by whomever in whichever topic or instance is something that comes from that real world, their real world. If it doesn't and it's just some song and dance for the purpose of upholding some silly notions about one's forum 'reputation', who's going to give a gnat's ass about that? Besides, in this world we live in we already have enough gravitational mass in one form or another to deal with.

There's an old question you may have heard: Would you prefer one thing plated with an ounce of gold or 10 things plated with an ounce of gold? Personally, I would prefer one thing plated with one ounce. In this forum - and in fact for the Sitesetis site in its entirety, I prefer the one ounce of gold in its raw form and not plating anything. If that's understood, then most people understand what's at the core of this particular forum endeavor.

Step-by-step. Then after a time you turn around and look at how far you've traveled. That's the way it is with most things.

D.

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